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On the weekend I'd say 75% of all the all-ins I heard people had AA and they where getting cracked a lot of the time.
I would like to how the dreaded aces where being played. Were people shoving all in pre-flop? or were people raising pre flop more than should've been, like 4x/5x bb or more?

So with this, what is the best way to play pocket aces?

I'd probably be aggressive with them, but not too aggressive,
normall 3x raise of big blind, if someone raises pre-bet before yourself I'd 3x their raise or similar, and then make the follow up bets/all-ins on turn and river.

I'm sure others would have different opinions on this stragegy

Haha - funny how it says Scott is the only one viweing this thread...

TheShadz wrote:I'd probably be aggressive with them, but not too aggressive,
normall 3x raise of big blind, if someone raises pre-bet before yourself I'd 3x their raise or similar, and then make the follow up bets/all-ins on turn and river.

this is where your line of thinking is wrong. Aces are only one pair.

You should only be looking to get your entire stack in hands/boards that give you the nuts, or close to (in a deepstack). There is no need to build an unnecessarily large pot, that you are now committed to call, with one pair.

Players need to learn how to fold.

the problem is not pre flop, but post flop.

lets think of a scenario.

you get aces and make a standard raise in early position. only the button calls

flop comes 972 rainbow. you bet, and get raised, and then you shove.

what does that shove achieve? is TT-KK calling? when we are in a deepstack tourney?

the answer is most of the time, no. so basically its only 77 and 99 that are going to call.

that is a classic reverse implied odds scenario, and is the reason why it seemed that aces were getting cracked too many times.

so basically, post flop, i would be trying to small ball it - not too many re-raises that are not going to be called by anything worse. remember we still only have 1 pair, and in a deepstack scenario, post flop, stacking off with top pair is marginal.

edit: pretty much exactly what aaron said

AceLosesKing wrote:You should only be looking to get your entire stack in hands/boards that give you the nuts, or close to (in a deepstack). There is no need to build an unnecessarily large pot.

This

on my table 1 player actually folded the dreaded pockets cause he was thinking he was behind... when actually he was well in front!

Here is how i lost with them:

dealt pocket aces. raised to six times the blind

1 caller

flop: A92

I raise, Caller re-raises, I raise him all in and he calls.

I turn over trip A's he turns over trip 9's

Turn card is a 2 (we both have fullhouses)

River Card he hits a one card outer 9 and the fat lady has sung on my Grandfinal

Ouch.


Here's my pocket aces story.

History on villain: pretty aggressive who i have seen pick up some uncontested pots a fair bit when limped to. Has overbet the pot on a few occasions. I wanted to try and exploit this.


Macca: 80k (button)
Villain: 58k (BB)
Blinds 1500/3000

Dealt to macca [ac][as]

Folded to me, i flat from the button (SB was tony bickle, super tight whom i knew would fold his small blind without a decent hand - which he did)

BB checks (bugger)

Flop [th][4s][3h]

BB bets 3k, macca raises to 9.5k, BB calls.

Turn [5c]

BB shoves for like 45k (well over the pot). I instantly discount a straight or set, he would be value betting that, so i pretty much snap call.

BB rolls [4c][6h]

River [7h] and i lose a massive pot.


But, what do others think of my line here. I know by flatting aces there i could have left myself in a tough spot on turn or river. But at the end of the day, the reason i did flat here was purely for decpetion, wanting to build a huge pot against the aggro player- which i succeeded in doing. Perhaps a min-raise from the button might have also worked (a lot of aggro players spazshove to minraises from the button, but oh well).


btw, this is pretty much the only time i have ever flatted aces from LP, and i still keep thinking i could have played it differently, but i think for this situation it was warranted.

choco wrote:Here is how i lost with them:

dealt pocket aces. raised to six times the blind

1 caller

flop: A92

I raise, Caller re-raises, I raise him all in and he calls.

I turn over trip A's he turns over trip 9's

Turn card is a 2 (we both have fullhouses)

River Card he hits a one card outer 9 and the fat lady has sung on my Grandfinal

that is pretty sick. bad luck

maccatak11 wrote:But, what do others think of my line here.

i think your line is ok. you went for max value, and you got what you wanted, just got unlucky. i personally never limp aces, but thats just me.

AceLosesKing wrote:

TheShadz wrote:I'd probably be aggressive with them, but not too aggressive,
normall 3x raise of big blind, if someone raises pre-bet before yourself I'd 3x their raise or similar, and then make the follow up bets/all-ins on turn and river.

this is where your line of thinking is wrong. Aces are only one pair.

You should only be looking to get your entire stack in hands/boards that give you the nuts, or close to (in a deepstack). There is no need to build an unnecessarily large pot, that you are now committed to call, with one pair.

Players need to learn how to fold.

+2

thks dream team victor.


whats the odds of a single card hitting-
prefold ??
on the turn ??
on the river ??
Im thinking of playing any A and splitting the pot with those that go alllin or raise my BB more than x3 lol

just been reading chapter iv on Betting paragraph 6.... Expanding your Range...