You're a Bunch of Factors

Is there anything i could have done diffently here other than push on the turn over BB's all-in?


Background info:

Dealt about 50 hands and i have played about 10% which is very low for a 6 max table, the reason i was p[laying extremely tight was the player PEZREZ who is the No.1 ranked player on Stars at this SnG level.

I have no probs with his game, its the other two peanuts.

Boy was i mad after this hand!

Just because stupidity getting rewarded.

Here it is:

PokerStars Game #32076369981: Tournament #190231548, $35+$3 USD Hold'em No Limit -
Level IV (50/100) - 2009/08/26 11:00:21 ET
Table '190231548 1' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: aguirrestar (1245 in chips)
Seat 3: OXnFOX (1590 in chips)
Seat 4: HadiCDR (3620 in chips)
Seat 5: PezRez (1610 in chips)
Seat 6: andyafc#1 (935 in chips)
andyafc#1: posts small blind 50
aguirrestar: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to OXnFOX [Th Ac]
OXnFOX: raises 200 to 300
HadiCDR: calls 300
PezRez: folds
andyafc#1: folds
aguirrestar: calls 200
*** FLOP *** [Ts 3s 8c]
aguirrestar: bets 945 and is all-in
OXnFOX: calls 945
HadiCDR: calls 945
*** TURN *** [Ts 3s 8c] [4c]
OXnFOX: bets 345 and is all-in
HadiCDR: calls 345
*** RIVER *** [Ts 3s 8c 4c] [Qd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
OXnFOX: shows [Th Ac] (a pair of Tens)
HadiCDR: shows [8d Qs] (two pair, Queens and Eights)
HadiCDR collected 690 from side pot
aguirrestar: shows [Qh Js] (a pair of Queens)
HadiCDR collected 3785 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4475 Main pot 3785. Side pot 690. | Rake 0
Board [Ts 3s 8c 4c Qd]
Seat 1: aguirrestar (big blind) showed [Qh Js] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 3: OXnFOX showed [Th Ac] and lost with a pair of Tens
Seat 4: HadiCDR showed [8d Qs] and won (4475) with two pair, Queens and Eights
Seat 5: PezRez (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: andyafc#1 (small blind) folded before Flop


AAARRRRGGGGHHH!!!!!

Thoughts?

Answer:

You posted in the wrong area



ANYWAY - moved here for you Toddy.

Rivers rivered.

Isn't that the call you want? TPTK v mid pair?

Other info:

I dont normally raise with A-10 but as i said i had been very, very tight and showed down much better hands with my raises previous.

I know big stack had middle pair and shortstack had overs and a gutshot, but everyone was playing normal poker till this point, did i just get unlucky or should i have stayed away from this hand altogether?

Bacon wrote:Rivers rivered.

Isn't that the call you want? TPTK v mid pair?

Yes, true, Garth always says this.

<SIGH>


Hry Bacon, i see Supercoach and AFL dreamteam is over for us again this year, no back to back for me, bloody Sheedy!

All I gotta say is: WHY CAN'T PEOPLE LEARN TO FOLD???
OK, the raise was what I call min raise, 3xBB so not a huge raise, you want to create some action, and that's nice.
But seriously how is Q8 off and good to call the blind let alone any raise?
I know people will say you'll get paid off by those calls over the long run, but there seems to be more players playing this kind of poker, that there is no "long run".
I feel for ya Todd I really do, I lost half my stack to Q6 off on Tuesday night, with blinds at 200/400, I raise 3k, that's 7.5 times the BB and lost to Q6 off. Who calls that stuff?
When will they learn to fold junk hands???
If anyone needs me, I'll be in the back overdosing on razor blades!

Can't see a shove getting him off the hand.

Why the flat on the flop? I'm interested in the thinking here.

You've priced yourself in to call any other street. The stacks are the problem and shoving on the flop may not scare away villain.

But the flat is what confused me; so your table image says tight, were you also agro or passive in previous hands?

As played you can't do anything, the chips are going in, and they're going in as the favourite.

In an ideal word you either shove that flop, where your still giving excellent value and not really introducing any fold equity, but it's an aggressive move that may make villain reconsider. Or you fold the flop, but with stack sizes and possible ranges this is something I wouldn't be willing to do in an SNG.

I'm with Garth - you gotta shove that flop. Might not work, but has to be done.

Or just stay away from the hand anyway

Scott wrote:Can't see a shove getting him off the hand.

Neither can I. I just think iso shoving that flop is the best play. You gotta commit your chips here, your not folding on later streets.