You're a Bunch of Factors

Grand Junction Tavern tonight.

Blinds are 200/400. I'm in LP with;



Man before me has min raised and I've called, but the SB and BB have folded, leaving just us in the hand.

The flop comes out;



The man bets 1000 and I go all in for 3000. He thinks for what seems a microsecond, and calls my all in. Quite a large pot, just as the blinds are about to go up.

He tables;



The board, after the turn and river ends up being;





How he made the call to start with is a little surprising. The beat is well, I didn't know what to say (apart from look amazed as he proceeded to go on and on about how much he loves cards "laughing all the way to the bank").

in the words of Daniel Negreanu, that is so sick

I've found that in most instances, if beginners hit the flop after raising/calling a raise, even if they have bottom pair, they'll call. Anything.

I would've folded Q7 off anyway (he raised, wtf), but calling your all in raise on the flop was certifiably insane. I doubt he would have put you on trips, at best a K, maybe he figured he had a pair and a live card... wanted to get lucky.

He was already in for 1800. How much did he have left after that, more than you?

Just bad luck Dave.

Here's a similar story from the Kingsford on Friday night. We had the honour of having two beginners join us, a husband and a wife. Its first break and I walk over to watch Shaun's table, the final hand before break. Here's what happened:

Note: I may have a few of the chip raises wrong here, but the effect is the same.

Player A (skilled player) raises to 1000 preflop. Player B (skilled player) calls, Player C (beginner 1, the wife) and Player D (beginner 2, the husband) calls.

Flop: K 5 2 (no flush draw). Player A bets 200. Everyone calls (Player C took ages to workout how much that was).

Turn: 3. Player A bets 800. Player B calls, Player C asks how much that is, table responds, she calls. Player D calls.

River: 2. Player A is now looking worried. He goes all in for 1500 or so. Player B folds. Player C thinks for a moment. She has the chips to call. She shows her cards to her husband, who says that she should call, so she does. Yeahhhh. Player A objects. Player D calls.

Cards are revealed.

Player A: Pocket Js. Ended up with Js and 2s.
Player C: 2 4, offsuit. Ended up with trip 2s.
Player D: 6 7, offsuit. 7 high.

Player A is understandably pissed off. He swears and leaves the table. Player C is ecstatic ("I won!?") and reels in her chips.

In the end, Player A complained, and everyone got their chips back (so it was like the hand had never been played).

I'm telling this story to show that if an NPL beginner has hit, on the flop, they'll call anything. But then again most of you should already know that

Just one little statement about your scenario Dave.
You flopped a set after a min raise from early position. Two in the hand.
Did you think your set was good? Or could you possibly be up against KK?
If you strongly believed your hand was a lock at this stage why shove?
Why push all in over the top of his bet? You are probably better off flat calling him on a board like that nothing in the way of a scary draw heavy board there.
See what the turn is, make your opponent price himself into the pot and then jam it on the turn if he has priced himself in or a draw presents itself (depending on your competitor of course).

In the above scenario you got rivered, unlucky but you would have got your opponent to call off their stack when you were a 5.5 to 1 favorite.

Not knocking your play at all just offering some insight and helpful hand analysis.

Garth, rush of blood I'd say. I feel a bit burnt out to be honest, and the guy who won the pot had been calling huge bets with not much thw whole time. In my head (at the time) I knew I had the best hand and I figured he'd be drawing dead, or drawing to runner runner and I also had a good feeling about him calling.

Playing it slower would have saved me maybe, although boating up on the turn would have made me shove.

As it was, I was right - he needed runner runner to win, and he got them. The turn gave him a few more outs, but it was sickening to me to see the board end with 7 7 7.

In all honesty, I think that with the size of the pot, and the amount I had left, I would have gone broke regardless.

But I take your point, no doubt. After losing in the second game when my all in was called by 6 4 off suit, I felt like never playing again

David wrote:After losing in the second game when my all in was called by 6 4 off suit, I felt like never playing again

Keno is your game mate, Spot 4 (2,3,4,5)