PLO advice - was I right to be this aggressive?

[Scotty]

It's six handed, but as a PLO player first an foremost, I hate 3rd/4th flushes like that.

About to go on smoke break, so not looking too hard, but it's a spot that the K/Q h flush makes that play with.

[bennymacca]

i think something like KhJXX with some other random heart winds up here a lot of the time

[AceLosesKing]

U HAZ A FLUSH CAWL

[AJG]

i think something like KhJXX with some other random heart winds up here a lot of the time

My first thought exactly, but MP flatting that turn is very dangerous if he (only) has a made str8. Had it been me I'd have pot-raised the turn. So Im thinking AhKJXh is more likely, maybe even AhKhJX or like Rochford, maybe something like AhKcJcXh, or other double suited heart/club? So wanting to keep people in the pot incase he flushes..
But 6max I would probably still call here getting 3 to 1.
I dont proclaim alot of PLO knowledge, only ever play 10/20c 6max, but from what I see, J high flush is often times good (heck people chase 9 high!), although this can depend on stakes. (I like railing $25/50 etc and find it very educational)
Also, did you have any reads on this player?
Depending on such things, you could find a fold here... but imho you are good here (esp at 12/25c) enough of the time to call.
Maybe my logic here is off, but 3rd nut flush and 3:1 pot odds = 0 or slightly +ve EV call?

Then, I noticed this from the hand:

MP ($16.30)

Preflop: MP calls $0.85c
Flop chked
Turn: MP Bets $5.10
River: MP bets $10.20

10.20 + 5.10 + 0.85 = $16.15, leaving 15c after his river bet.

THAT, would possibly make me think he had nut flush, as quite a few players will just half pot automatically (ie use 1/2 pot button) on the river as a value bet, so reaffirming the AhXhKJ/AhKhJX hand read (along with him flatting the turn)

Also, although you had OE NSD, I would assume(?) you were calling also hoping to hit a flush (preferably club though). Aside from 3 straight cards, and nut club flush cards, the Jh7h probably lent the hand more strength to you preflop, yes? (I mean preflop you'd be happy to make a H flush?)
So, when a small heart drops on the river, are you ever going to fold?

Also, as you seemed prepared to call his river bet, why the chk/call line and not lead out yourself?

Now, going back to the flop: I would lead out here ~50% of the time. You have lots of draws, gutshot str8, heart flush, backdoor nut club flush... Again, this is without considering any player reads/info.

Turn: I would almost always lead that turn, especially after the checked flop, that was a fantastic card for you. You now have OE and NSD, plus nut club flush and 3rd nut heart flush draws. 26 outs, which can probably be likely reduced to around 20. but that still gives you ~44% chance of hitting the river.

Again, I am no PLO wiz, (but do ok at the tables), so this is just something to think about. And also possibly someone like Scott or Brett/Garth (or any other PLO specialist) might comment on my thoughts regarding the flop/turn, so I can get some feedback on how I would've played this.

[muzzington]

I probably would have shoved on the turn with your stack.

[AJG]

Hmmm, about a month ago I found this Omaha equity simulator. Interesting syntax for entering hand ranges, but very useful.

Plugging in your hand and the board, on the turn you are:
a 76:24 dog against KhJZh* (* = any card, Z = small [2-6])
a 62:38 dog against BhJ*h* (B = Big:J+)

You are even a 56:44 dog to KJ** ! KhJ** (! is an exclusion operator, so excluding KJ** hands with no Kh).
Here is a link to the v2 Simulator output for the last hand... Although I prefer the v1 for its 'unroll' feature: equity preflop and on each street possible depending on number of board cards specified.

Of course, this is ignoring the BB's hand, so the actual numbers are a bit different in reality, but...

Putting BB on (and generously) Bc*c** & KJBc*c, ie a busted flush draw OR made str8/busted flush draw, the numbers are:
You: 40.19%
MP : 30.68% (KJ** ! KhJ** - The range that you were best off against above)
BB : 29.13%
So this looks a tad better for you...
But using only Bc*c** for the BB, your equity only increases by 0.19% but MPs jumps to 52.47%, and this is prob more likely, so you still behind.

This tool is great imho, the equities it produces are oftentimes very unexpected (and enlightening). Of course, using ranges limits the sim to 600K randomized trials, but analyzing hands when you can put in actual hands for each player does enumerate all.

Experimenting with this particular hand has made me rethink how best to play it.

Edit: I assume you mean chk/pot-raise muzzington? I would have somewhat agreed before running this in the simulator, now the chk/call line doesn't seem too bad (assuming the ranges above are reasonably accurate), unless you are hoping to take it down then and there by BB & MP folding.

[muzzington]

Either way is good with this hand. I think it's a tougher question when he has a bigger stack.

[Garth Kay]

Brett is a better PLO player than me.

I play some extreme PLO spectrums, I'm either a super nit or supper aggressive.

I have a tendency to play a more passive check call type of game in small stakes PLO.

[AJG]

OK Garth, but anything more specific regarding this hand? Or any comments made about it?
Perhaps you could ask Brett to take a look (I get he must be busy what with a new job and all, but he might have some time?)

I would really like some more PLO discussion here, as a) I am starting to play alot more of it, b) seems other are to, c) there isn't all that much here atm.

I will be posting some interesting hands for discussion soon, I just have to go through my HH files, or soon plan to add the Omaha module to my HEM license, so can get to the hands that way.

[muzzington]

PLO or mixed games are really the only cash games I play online. Not that much though.