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goal setting/ things I have picked up.

Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 6:07 pm
by madali
Ok so have been reading a lot lately and also have a background in coaching for results ( although not in poker) and thought I would share some of the things I have learnt about goal setting and keeping motivated. Most of you may already know or use a lot of this but for those that don't here goes.

When setting up your goals these are a good start

What specifically do you want? Be clear and concise with your goals. If your goals are vague then they will be harder to track.

Are these achievable? Try to be honest and ensure that you set yourself small goals that you can revisit on a regular basis. Setting unrealistic goals will cause you to become disheartened and may affect your progress.

Is this goal within your control? A big one here. As there are so many factors which can cause you not to win that 1 tournament or even the next 100 tournaments (we know them all variance, opponents, timing etc) you need to take this into account.
You goals should be something you can do. You get you money in favourite and lose to a runner, runner straight for example is something outside of your control. But if you goal is to make a good read and get your money in favorite then you have achieved your goal. You may get a run of losses like this but they will come to an end and you will eventually get paid off for your good play.

When you are setting your goals also take into consideration.


1/ What is important to you when playing? Are you playing for fun, to come first, to be profitable or a combination of all of these. How do you ensure you get this out of your game.

2/ What thoughts and feelings do you bring? If you are negative you and feel like a loser you will lose. Try writing positive affirmations to help you bring you back into the right frame of mind. Also anchoring which is covered in a later post is great for regaining focus mid tournament . I also use anchoring in my general life whether it be at work, home or at the tables.

3/ What expectations do you have and are these realistic? If you are setting unrealistic goals you will be setting yourself up for failure and this will carry on to your mindset ( see point 2)

4/What are your strengths and weaknesses? How do you think you can capitalize on your strengths and improve your weakness’s

5/ What resources will you use to learn more? These do not have to cost. Use the people around you, forums such as this, some poker sites (that I wont mention here) have pro advice and videos also free. Also watch and take in as much as you can. When at the table try and watch what is happening around you when you are not in a hand as this is your best opportunity to learn.


In your learning there are 4 stages you will go through. You really want to get to level 4 and this takes time and patience. Good players are constantly looking for anything that may be a number 1 level of learning so they can take the steps to move forward. Here are the four levels:


1/Unconscious incompetence; You don’t know what you don’t know.

2/Conscious incompetence: Becoming aware of what you don’t know.

3/Conscious : Competently doing what you have newly learned but having to think constantly to ensure you are.

4/ Unconscious: Competently doing it without thinking.


When preparing for a big game you can take steps to ensure you are ready to get the best results. Think of the following.


* What kind of preparation do you have before a big game? Are you prepared, well rested, well hydrated, dressed in clothes that you are comfortable in.

* What words or phrases do you use to keep yourself on track throughout the game?

* Do you think have a game plan? What about a plan B if you become short stacked early in the game? What about a backup plan for when short stacked late in the game/ getting close to the money? Remember plans will change dependent on what form of poker you are playing, the number of players at the table and the general play at your table.

* Do you have a plan on how you will play depending on the play on your table? For example different play for a loose passive table compared to tight aggressive table. With this one once you learn it it will become a natural part of your game

* Do you have a plan at for different stages of the game? For example many good players will sit back and watch for the first couple of rounds until they have a read on the players (First time I met benny the cunt he did this and he owned me. He had also researched the players at the table as much as he could. Knew he was a good player then and there). Most players will adjust there bets based on blind levels and the size of the stacks at the tables ( including there own)



Most of this I have learnt through reading and completing courses for work over the years and I have used them at work a lot. They come from a variety of sources and personal experience. Due to this I am not claiming this to be completely original but is my take on what I have learnt. I will post my anchoring post maybe tomorrow if work is as boring as it was today. Let me know if you think this is too long winded as you all know I have a tendency to use 10 words when 1 will suffice.

goal setting/ things I have picked up.

Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 6:26 pm
by bennymacca
One of the best ones I have heard is simple, but it is to set measurable goals. Ie "getting better at poker" is not a good goal because you can't measure the progress of it.

It is better to say "watch 2 poker videos a week and post 1 hand a week on a forum. "

Re: goal setting/ things I have picked up.

Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:03 pm
by madali
Nice benny the cunt I like it. I always set my goals too high and really struggle when I don't reach them. I am trying to get back to basics and perhaps am overthinking my way there :D

Re: goal setting/ things I have picked up.

Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:25 pm
by bennymacca
madali wrote:Nice benny the cunt I like it. I always set my goals too high and really struggle when I don't reach them. I am trying to get back to basics and perhaps am overthinking my way there :D


i like your framework you have posted above, but i just think you need to be careful about how you frame the goals, so that the end result is the same but it is based on things you can measure

Re: goal setting/ things I have picked up.

Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 10:25 pm
by gmatical
madali wrote:.


When preparing for a big game you can take steps to ensure you are ready to get the best results. Think of the following.

Most of this I have learnt through reading and completing courses for work over the years and I have used them at work a lot.


Do you take your plan into all games or just 'big' games? This could be an area where you are lacking if you 'categorise' your efforts (should be the same whether $1 or $100 in theory)

What sort of work do you do & can you give an example of successes with your learning? (poker examples are often not 'real world' enough for me to sink in)

Good luck with your goals, hope you hit em hard!

Re: goal setting/ things I have picked up.

Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 11:24 pm
by madali
Yeah i think you are right benny the cunt. As I said this all comes through what I have mainly learnt through performance improvement and it is harder to put it successfully into poker.

My goal is to be a better poker player and I put in steps to achieve this such as watching videos, reading everything I can and also being mentally prepared to play. I am able to accurately track the steps I have taken along the way. I am trying to increase my aggression but be tight with my hand selection. Very fine line and I do find this hard at times and others it is a breeze. How do I gauge my success. As they are personal goals I sit down regularly and review hands I have played and try and work out if I played the hand to my best. I am also keeping a diary with all of the things I think i did wrong and how I could have done better. It also helps to remind me that when sometimes I think I was unlucky quite often I have played the hand badly and really deserved to lose. This also usually is when I am not in the right frame of mind to play my best. It also contains all of the things I did right and usually revisit this just before playing (back to being in the right frame of mind).

My bank roll is slowly growing and along with confidence online. I have completely lost my confidence live and am only playing minimum games this season. Was not going to play live at all this season but found I missed the people. I will post something on anchoring tomorrow as being able to bounce back after a bad beat or even bad play is an essential part of any poker players game.

Re: goal setting/ things I have picked up.

Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 11:36 pm
by bennymacca
so when you say "you want to be more aggressive," have you looked into your aggression stats in holdem manager?

Re: goal setting/ things I have picked up.

Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 12:01 am
by madali
gmatical wrote:
Do you take your plan into all games or just 'big' games? This could be an area where you are lacking if you 'categorise' your efforts (should be the same whether $1 or $100 in theory)

What sort of work do you do & can you give an example of successes with your learning? (poker examples are often not 'real world' enough for me to sink in)

Good luck with your goals, hope you hit em hard!


So for the first question the preparation I make for a big game is a lot more than a general game. Things like making sure I have had plenty of fluids and sleep is not something that I would make a priority for a small value tournament but is something I would try to do before a big match ( like the grand final). My aim to play my best is still there in both but maybe not the short term preparation.

With the second question as I have stated before we did have a big down swing at work and majority of people were put off. I went from a senior role back to the bottom and into sales which is something I have never done before and really was not equipped for. I was determined to succeed and used all of the resources available to me to do this. I love the company I work for and wanted to be good part of the rebuild. There was retraining in how to succeed in sales, books galore and lots of goal setting.

My biggest achievement thus far though is the fact that though most people do not know it I suffer from acute anxiety/ panic attacks and prior to getting this job struggled to leave the house, drive a car and a social function was out of the question. I from that to coaching and training staff and being the go to person when there was a crisis ( which there quite often was) for whoever was my manager at the time . I still struggle with this every day but am using techniques such as anchoring and setting real achievable goals to get me where I need to be.

Didn't mean to ramble please forgive me but you know me I never know when to shut up :D

Re: goal setting/ things I have picked up.

Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 12:11 am
by madali
bennymacca wrote:so when you say "you want to be more aggressive," have you looked into your aggression stats in holdem manager?



yes complete calling station in the past. The thought was something like " Think I am ahead I will just call all the way to the river and let them hit" unless I had the nuts. Now I am trying so "I know I am ahead and if I am wrong lets gamble" re raises and shoves. Still fall back into bad habits regularly and this is usually when I have lost focus. But with practice and focus I know I will be doing this competently without thinking :D

Re: goal setting/ things I have picked up.

Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 12:17 am
by bennymacca
have you got holdem manager installed and a decent amount of hands in there?

if you have, can you go to tourney -> reports, and select report number 2, leakbuster - overall.

then fill this in with the stats

vpip
pfr
3bet
sqz
Agg
flop cbet %
steal pct
preflop positional awareness


we can start to get a pretty decent indication of your aggressiveness.