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http://www.888pl.com.au/promotion.aspx?ID=74

THE 888PL GRAND FINAL
The Ultimate Destination for all 888PL players.

Each season the ultimate tournament will be held with at least 200 of 888PL's best players set to battle it out on the felt for their share of the expected $100,000 Prize Pool.

Ok, so I was under the assumption that this Grand Final was $100k gtd. Obviously I was wrong, and I'm disappointed about this, but its my own fault for not reading the fine print.

Are 888pl looking to give away at least 200 tickets? Cos that's how it reads up top. Any expectations for this event?

Think 200 should be an easy number to reach.

888pl $38 games each month, daily satellites @5.50.

Easy value.

Hi Aaron,

Each ticket is worth $500, we hope to achieve 200 runners at this final. The current environment in the SA market place in regards to cash buy in events is proving to be a challenge. However this is still our intention and goal to achieve a 100K grand final, but it is declared an expected prize pool based on the number of cash buy in events operated in venue and online.

Garth Kay wrote:... The current environment in the SA market place in regards to cash buy in events is proving to be a challenge. ...

How, so?
There are (non-casino) buyin events every night of the week here in SA.
As long as you don't charge rake or entry fees, all is legal.
Not long ago SkyCity Casino went to court to try to get some of these venues shutdown, but the courts ruled against them.
2 weeks ago one venue even held a $550 buyin event 'hosted' by (basically named after) Stewart Scott (Winner of the 2009 Aussie Millions) who actually played in it. And they ran a step sytstem of satellites into it over the previous weeks. This same venue has monthly satellites TO the Aussie Millions as well, but I cant remember the buyin for them...

AJG wrote:

Garth Kay wrote:... The current environment in the SA market place in regards to cash buy in events is proving to be a challenge. ...

How, so?
There are (non-casino) buyin events every night of the week here in SA.
As long as you don't charge rake or entry fees, all is legal.
Not long ago SkyCity Casino went to court to try to get some of these venues shutdown, but the courts ruled against them.
2 weeks ago one venue even held a $550 buyin event 'hosted' by (basically named after) Stewart Scott (Winner of the 2009 Aussie Millions) who actually played in it. And they ran a step sytstem of satellites into it over the previous weeks. This same venue has monthly satellites TO the Aussie Millions as well, but I cant remember the buyin for them...

You are incorrect in some of your assumptions.

The OLGC has ruled that regular buy in tournaments are in breach of the gaming legislation. The LEB on the other hand believe the legislation to be archaic and will not impose any penalties on venues for such a game.

Venues were sent a scare letter from the OLGC that has been very effective in scaring a few venues off.

SkyCity did not go to court, at any time in relation to this matter. They have sought advice from the OLGC as to whether their poker licence entitles them to be the only entity to operate cash buy in poker tournaments in the state of South Australia. The OLGC launched there scare letter in response to SkyCity's submission. A formal response has not yet been issued.

I am aware of the venue you speak of and the type of buy in events they are hosting quite regularly. I am also aware of certain govenrment bodies that want these games to cease. Buy in's of this size should, in my opinion, be strictly the domain of casinos, especially if ran on a regular basis. These types of game will force the government to change their legislation and the LEB may be forced to act as some sources have told us they do not want to see large buy in events with punters handing over substantial sums of money to participate. These types of events are slightly detrimental to the pub poker fraternity and industry.

I have no issue with three figure buy ins held at once per month, but on a regular basis it does bring unfair scrutiny from public departments and community social welfare groups. To the misinformed public hearing of a game of this magnitude inspires image of seedy, shady games with degenerates or criminals partaking in them.

They werent assumptions Garth,

The legality of not charging rake or entry fees was information I got from Brock Gledhill from NPL in SA, and I was passing on information I had heard from several sources (obviously wrong, as you corrected) about the casino going to court.... chinese whispers I suppose...

And I agree the (regular) larger buyin events should be in the domain of the casino (I worked there as dealer for a number of years in the early 90's) and with such large buyin events there would be the Government Inspectors (as they were then known) to oversee (like colour ups, during breaks etc) things so it was all cool or even just the pit boss with a healthy wage to lose if he does somethin dodgy, which someone at a public venue might be tempted to do...

The $10 and $25 events I think should be allowed to continue though.

this "sort" of matter has been to court before Aj. Most people would know who it was.

Luke05(Jamo) wrote:this "sort" of matter has been to court before Aj. Most people would know who it was.

There's no way in hell Luke typed that.

No I think Luke has employed a secretay to simplify what the hell he's saying.

And I'm starting to like this guy AJG he's very knowledgable and makes some very good posts on here to say the least!!!

Considering he/she had only joined on the 11th of this month and is making a big splash on the forum.

Luv your stuff keep it coming M8.

WHOOPS forgot me P

I don't know if I want anyone taking a slash on the forum.