Dream Team Race - Kleemann Under Attack

[David]

I don't really care for the DT SCB.
I prefer having fun

[ROYTRUDGEY]

Yeh I shoud've played them but Saturday/Sunday nights...it's hard. I bet I could take any one of those bozos in the top 5 lol invluding and especially the guy sitting in first.


im pretty sure the battles u have had with these guys a bigger pecentage of the time u have lost lol

[maccatak11]

I like our points structure and the way it works, I think with a change in the qualification method with a tweaking of the calculations used for average and a weighting or seeding of events we will see a more evenly balanced score board.

I like the points structure too, but i think weighting/seeding etc of different types of events will do nothing more than confuse the crap out of everyone. I think the only way to avoid this confusion is to have separate leaderboards for each type of event - an benny the cunt suggested.

This won't change the fact that 888pl is an integrated online and live poker company, you can still qualify for the respective semi-finals via online or live games. Whatever seeding/weighting system that is formulated will be debated endlessly as to its fairness - again putting 888pl in a bad light in my opinion.

If you dont want to attach any sotrt of monetary prize to the online freeroll scoreboard then dont (and i agree that their shouldnt be) but offering prizes for the other types of scoreboards WILL mean that players play different formats of games.

What incentive is their now for a player to play anything other than online freerolls? (in terms of DT qual.) none really...

If there were separate scoreboards for each discipline then the online freeroll players might play more online challenge games, just as live freeroll players might try live challenge, or online challenge or whatever.

[Garth Kay]

I like the points structure too, but i think weighting/seeding etc of different types of events will do nothing more than confuse the crap out of everyone. I think the only way to avoid this confusion is to have separate leaderboards for each type of event - an benny the cunt suggested.

As if the majority of player's aren't confused enough as is right now. The message with weighting is simple - earn more points for smaller fields by playing in Challenge Away and Home events and then earn standard points for playing in Foundation Home and Away events.

I am also looking to create a smaller player cap for online freerolls with 30 minute registration periods, but we would double the number of events per day.

This won't change the fact that 888pl is an integrated online and live poker company, you can still qualify for the respective semi-finals via online or live games. Whatever seeding/weighting system that is formulated will be debated endlessly as to its fairness - again putting 888pl in a bad light in my opinion.

Is 888PL viewed in a bad light now?

If you dont want to attach any sotrt of monetary prize to the online freeroll scoreboard then dont (and i agree that their shouldnt be) but offering prizes for the other types of scoreboards WILL mean that players play different formats of games.

What incentive is their now for a player to play anything other than online freerolls? (in terms of DT qual.) none really...

As already stated, numerous times now, the issue is the DT scoreboard giving more rewards to those who can play an inordinate amount of online freeroll games. I have discussed several solutions to this matter; simply scrapping the SCB or diversifying the DT into four different disciplines does not complete the objectives.

How about we give the solution a chance before we decide how can we make the LDB's best fit personal playing patterns or preferences? Do you want the SCB to identify the most consistent, well performing 888PL member or prefer to just be able to say that I rock at online freerolls or I rock at online Challenge events?

I will not dilute the Dream Team Scoreboard, I will not create four leader boards for each discipline what I will do is find a solution to our current DT Scoreboard, so we reward the most consistent (volume driven) players that participate in all four disciplines.

I hope everybody reads the bold and most importantly the colored text so we all understand what this discussion is about.

If there were separate scoreboards for each discipline then the online freeroll players might play more online challenge games, just as live freeroll players might try live challenge, or online challenge or whatever.

Explain to me how creating a leader board that just awards a monetary value for freeroll in venue play incentivises the regular freeroll player to experience a challenge event or even an online free roll?

[bennymacca]

Do you want the SCB to identify the most consistent, well performing 888PL member or prefer to just be able to say that I rock at online freerolls or I rock at online Challenge events?

im sorry garth, but i have to take you to task on this bit.

you have repeatedly said to me that the dream team scoreboard isn't about consistency, and now you say it is? poor form i think

Explain to me how creating a leader board that just awards a monetary value for freeroll in venue play incentivises the regular freeroll player to experience a challenge event or even an online free roll?

if you created a 500 dollar leaderboard for the online freerolls (for example) but had a 5K leaderboard for the online challenge games, then this would certainly create an incentive for those freerollers to put some money in their account

[trishan]

Do you want the SCB to identify the most consistent, well performing 888PL member or prefer to just be able to say that I rock at online freerolls or I rock at online Challenge events?

im sorry garth, but i have to take you to task on this bit.

you have repeatedly said to me that the dream team scoreboard isn't about consistency, and now you say it is? poor form i think

Garth, surely in management meeting you would have sat down and established what you want the DT to achieve. Is it about consistency? Are you rewarding those who help your bottomline the most? Are you reqarding those who play the most? Are you rewarding the best players?

Whatever it is about it's very important that you establish a solid objective for the the DT and make sure that you don't contradict yourself in the message you convey. Make a clear, definitive stance on the matter.

I think that as the season draws to a close now is a perfect time to debrief not only with your staff but with players and it's great to see solid discussion in this thread. It can only be good for the league in the long run.

[Garth Kay]

Do you want the SCB to identify the most consistent, well performing 888PL member or prefer to just be able to say that I rock at online freerolls or I rock at online Challenge events?

im sorry garth, but i have to take you to task on this bit.

you have repeatedly said to me that the dream team scoreboard isn't about consistency, and now you say it is? poor form i think

Did you happen to notice this squiggly thing benny the cunt - ? - they are called question marks, they are generally put at the end of the sentence and they help literate people understand when the writer is asking a question.

You personally have identified what you see as a problem with the DT and I am trying to adjust and find a solution for this. And I also think that both of our opinions of consistent may differ greatly.

I also have never said the DT is not about consistency, I have said the DT isn't ALL about consistency.

[Garth Kay]

Do you want the SCB to identify the most consistent, well performing 888PL member or prefer to just be able to say that I rock at online freerolls or I rock at online Challenge events?

im sorry garth, but i have to take you to task on this bit.

you have repeatedly said to me that the dream team scoreboard isn't about consistency, and now you say it is? poor form i think

Garth, surely in management meeting you would have sat down and established what you want the DT to achieve. Is it about consistency? Are you rewarding those who help your bottomline the most? Are you reqarding those who play the most? Are you rewarding the best players?

Whatever it is about it's very important that you establish a solid objective for the the DT and make sure that you don't contradict yourself in the message you convey. Make a clear, definitive stance on the matter.

I think that as the season draws to a close now is a perfect time to debrief not only with your staff but with players and it's great to see solid discussion in this thread. It can only be good for the league in the long run.

Please refer to above post. About the whole squiggly thing.

The fact that I am on here discussing what we see as the problems and trying to find a solution for all players involved says a lot.

Trishan,

I don't like being patronised and I am trying to be as civil as possibly in this thread at the moment. Nor do I like any dispersions cast on myself or my team about our objectives or ability to manage this league. Be vary careful of the way you discuss anything with me.

Trishan/benny the cunt

So here it is in plain english - you two as players, represent the very small minority of our market, as do most of the posters on here. You have both had a "whinge", for want of a better word, as to how your superiority as a poker player has not been displayed on the DT SCB and in your eyes it should.

You have both presented arguments, I have politely rebutted these arguments and offered possible solutions to your complaints that the DT does not represent a.) the best player in the leagues or b.) the most consistent players in the league.

I see no reason to continue this discussion as it is quite obvious nether of you will be happy until we have a system in place that rewards your most frequented playing environment over and above the other environments. You both are also un prepared to accept the fact that the DT systems will be changed and continue to use the fact that the DT rewards free roll players now as a tool to further your arguments, this is redundant as I have acknowledged the current faults and am working to fix these.

I am quite happy to discuss anything else DT related or for that matter find someone else who has criticism of the DT and discuss that with them.

In the meantime I suggest ceasing adding to this thread as we are continually going around in circles and I will decide how we progress with the DT score board.

Thanks for your input and feedback, but I have had all I can on this matter.

[trishan]

I don't know why it is Garth, but you sometimes read my posts as being patronising and having a go when really I don't mean to be patronising or to have a go. I apologise if the what have posted appears patronising and rest assured I do not mean anything by it.

I do appreciate the time you take out of your day to reply here when you are not even obliged to respond and it's this level of "customer service" I guess you can call it that makes me reccomend the 888PL to other poker lovers.

This is the last I will talk about the DT and wish those that make it all the best.

[madali]

I do not know if this is the place to post but here goes.

I would like to congratulate the dream team top 5 on an awesome effort. I have played against all of you and you have played some excellent poker and deserve to be where you are.

I would like to thank 888pl for giving me the oppurtunity to participate in what has been a wonderful season. I have learnt so much and I know that playing against so many diverse characters will help improve my play. To anyone who has had a bad beat from me this season forgive me. Sometimes I play some bad cards but I am learning every day.

To Brett, thank you all of the work you have put into updating the scores as I know this was no easy task.

To everyone else involved thank you for all of your hard work which has helped make this season a success.

I look forward to next season and wish you all well. To anyone who has made the grandfinal good luck and I will see you there.

Gayle Andrews

" Last night I stayed up late playing poker with Tarot cards. I got a full house and four people died." -- Steven Wright