Yep, Garth has copped cr@p already...

[666HARPS666]

Just quickly, dealer wasn't in the hand.

Glad i read this. i was going to write something about suspensions after reading caleb's post.

unfortunately old man Swanky was in hand & soon was to have CAN in hand

[Caleb]

Ok, just reread your post. I got confused when you said the bounty shoved and the dealer was also a TC/bounty. Obviously 2 seperate players.

That's what you get for reading the forum on an iPhone.

[RedheadsRock]

I'll be digging up my "lucky" Top Gun card guard

Please do this & set Winnie The Pooh free!
Pics old man Swanky?....

[666HARPS666]

I'll be digging up my "lucky" Top Gun card guard

Please do this & set Winnie The Pooh free!
Pics old man Swanky?....

old man Swanky calls it LUCKY I'd call it special

[Paul]

Ok I'll explain why and what i came to this Decision !!
I felt for old man Swanky and even when I came over and Glen (Vic TC) had mucked his hand old man Swanky said his cards AK, Glen then without me having the chance to go into the muck to get his cards picked up the top card exposing the 4 but he also had picked up another card under it as a 3, so i couldnt clearly just say "Yeh sure find AK and we will run with that!

old man Swanky was already getting pretty upset (and should be) he had the lip shake and hand shake going, i wouldnt have been upset with a punch BUT he had also walked off cause i think he knew the rules are "protect your hand" if there was just him and someone else in I would have killed the hand everyone take their money back and thats it, But with 2 all ins and old man Swanky as a 3rd and already walking off, i had to kill his hand !!!

If i let him drag out AK after seeing 3 and 4 also exposed and no actually knowing if ihe had AK and he won i would have had to deal with the fact from 2 eliminated players frthat his hand should have stayed mucked, i asked Garth and Nathan and they both agreed that it was the right decision but they said if i killed the hand and returned everyones money that would have been acceptable also, but it was to late and i still cant see that possible seeing it was a 3 way all in!!
I cant simply return his call cause his hand was mucked otherwise later on or another tournament if someone calls and all in with aq and ak is showed then magically aq mucked missing what do i do there??? That would open up so much angle shooting and then come back to this instance.

I also wish i could have taken Glen out of it kicked him in the a.s.s and told him to go home you're a disgrace, but this isnt possible cause it was unprotected cards ad he was only clearing the table ready for a flop so i couldnt apply a penalty to him !!!

I actually love my Job, but instances like these make me feel bad for people like old man Swanky, unfortuanatly I cant see having a choice in the matter and it was just bad luck, i had so many people before this instance trying to push every rule to the limit on the weekend that at the end we weren't giving the benifit of the doubt, unfortuanatly old man Swanky had to go with the final decision and i said to him i'm trully sorry for it as i hate making decisions like that!!

Josh (other working TC)was there also and he was going to make the same ruling but i had walked over so he left it to me so at the end i still believe it was the right decision it was just unfortuanate we had to do it to old man Swanky !!!

[David]

Probably could have settled for a one-orbit penalty.

[Nevah play JJ]

I still believe it was the right decision it was just unfortunate we had to do it to old man Swanky !!!

Sorry Paul.. and old man Swanky, but this comment really has a touch of favourtism to it.. and if I read it wrong I appologise in full, but it shouldn't matter who the decision was made for or against.

Are you saying "unfortunate we had to do it against old man Swanky" because he is quite well liked amongst the 888pl staff and management? or would you making the comment "unfortunate we had to do it to Joe Blow anonymous poker junkie from the sticks" if the roles were switched?

Like I said, I am sorry if I have read that wrong, but sometimes whether it is intentional or not, favouritism does shine through and I would hate to think this would be an example of it being something that would benefit one player and not another.

I had so many people before this instance trying to push every rule to the limit on the weekend that at the end we weren't giving the benifit of the doubt

I can't help but feel in the case of big Grand Finals such as this, there should be a printed copy of the rules.
That way NO arguments can be entered into..

It isn't something that one TC can dispute with another person about.. it is there in black and white, no argument, no dispute - nothing.

eg:
Abuse once = one orbit.. See the print out! see the seat.. take it!
Abuse twice = out! See print out! See the door... take it!

and sorry to say this, but it stops favouritism ever becoming an issue. Because whether you believe it or not, some players feel that others are always favoured over themselves.. (paranoid maybe.. foolish maybe.. truthful in their reality - yes).

An issue happens, hand raised.. grab the book, look.. here it is, black and white, you wanna cry, use a tissue, but the rules are the rules.

[Brett Kay]

I think you will find Caroline that you never want to eliminate someone from a tournament in that way. Its unfortunate when the player is not at fault and has just been plain unlucky due to someone trying to help.

[madali]

I still believe it was the right decision it was just unfortunate we had to do it to old man Swanky !!!

[color=#000080]Sorry Paul.. and old man Swanky, but this comment really has a touch of favourtism to it.. and if I read it wrong I appologise in full, but it shouldn't matter who the decision was made for or against.

The decision was made regardless of who the player is . I see no favoritism from the decision and I am not sure how you see that there was. I can see given the circumstances that it was a decision that no TD likes to make. I have always found when it comes to the rules 888pl TD's are always fair to all. Given that many of them will be friends with a lot of players I am sure that at times that it is hard but I have always admired there professionalism in sometimes difficult situations

I can't help but feel in the case of big Grand Finals such as this, there should be a printed copy of the rules.
That way NO arguments can be entered into..


and sorry to say this, but it stops favouritism ever becoming an issue. Because whether you believe it or not, some players feel that others are always favoured over themselves.. (paranoid maybe.. foolish maybe.. truthful in their reality - yes).

An issue happens, hand raised.. grab the book, look.. here it is, black and white, you wanna cry, use a tissue, but the rules are the rules.

The rules are on the 888pl website for all to see. I think that if you are going to play a game with over 50k first prize the onus is on you to know them so that you dont make a silly mistake and loose chips. And all of the TD's are well versed in the rules with plenty of other TD's at the grand final to consult with if a Grey area pops up.

I really dont get your point here at all never play JJ as if you have encountered favoritism before send an email to complain. As I said it is not something I have ever come across and have never heard anyone else complain about it either. I think it was an awful situation what happened to old man Swanky but it was dealt with in a way that did no give him favoritism and I think old man Swanky will always use a card guard now.

[Paul]

Paul Bell-Inskip wrote:
I still believe it was the right decision it was just unfortunate we had to do it to old man Swanky !!!

Sorry Paul.. and old man Swanky, but this comment really has a touch of favourtism to it.. and if I read it wrong I appologise in full, but it shouldn't matter who the decision was made for or against.

No it actually shows no Favour at all, i said it was unfortuante it happened to old man Swanky, if it was an outright Favourtism then i would have ruled for him wouldn't I???
I'm saying for someone that has good knowledge of the game like old man Swanky and had played a great game to get where he was to have a TC dealer wreck his game is unfortuante!!! If i wrote"then i realised it was old man Swanky so i made sure i all went his way then yes thats bad BUT the fact is he was eliminated from the game where he would have eliminated 2 players and got a $50 bounty and the King didnt even matter !!!

There is nothing more annoying than a decent player being eliminated for someone else ruining their game !!!

It isn't something that one TC can dispute with another person about.. it is there in black and white, no argument, no dispute - nothing

Its never so Black and White and people think there are so many issues that you wont understand the rules are there as a guideline and into that also comes "in fairness to the game" every situation has its own merits and as easy as it to say "throw the rules in front of them its there in writing" is never really the case !!!

I have never once played Favourtism and i have even sat my own wife out at a semi final for a 2 warning on being on her phone even though she was sitting back from the table and had a sore back, but being fair to the rest of the field and showing "NO FAVOURTISM" i gave her and orbit as its the rules !!!

and sorry to say this, but it stops favouritism ever becoming an issue. Because whether you believe it or not, some players feel that others are always favoured over themselves.. (paranoid maybe.. foolish maybe.. truthful in their reality - yes).

That excuse is usually made by the people who cant play their game to their angle shooting ways and crying about the fact the right ruling is made against them !!!
THERE IS NO TRUTH IN THAT AT ANY EVENT I RUN THATS FOR SURE !!

We sometime have to give benefit of the doubt to some situations but when you have players continually trying to find the "loophole" and cause of their last desperate attempt to make a GF or make the cash, we are sometimes forced to look away and go by the rules Black and White !!!

Lets not forget this issue was even worse cause we also had a Vic TC muck the hand, if we didnt look a this as a "merit" case then it could look worse on us...so its even worse cause he didnt let us control the situation and started to help out on his error, which caused more damage !!!

An issue happens, hand raised.. grab the book, look.. here it is, black and white, you wanna cry, use a tissue, but the rules are the rules.

We arent the Number 1 Poker league cause we run a game to its rules , we are the number 1 cause we run a "fair" game to the rules !!!!