Showing Cards

[Burgers]

Sorry Burgers I would like to add one more thing:

Showing 1 card is not an option in no limit texas holdem, regardless of if you have been called or not.

I am afraid it is. Some casino's will now force you to show both hole cards if you are in a cash game, but in tournament play and the majority of casinos I have played in it is not usually enforced strictly.

Are you saying that its not a rule, or its not strictly enforced?

I've played in tournaments and moved from table to table and the rule has been in effect on some and not enforced on others. It's still a rule to show both cards (hence my statement) regardless if the dealer is lax about it.

I still stand by the comment that showing 1 card is not within the rules, be it enforced or not by various dealers within the casino.

[Burgers]

if someone calls me to a showdown, and i show, holding the nuts, do i have a right to see the other person's cards? i always thought that they had the chance to muck, but there is a certain site that i will not name (one of the biggest) that lets you have a look at what the other player was holding by looking up the hand history (which i thought was extremely wierd)

so, do i have a right to see what they had?

No. You're not entitled to see a call.

[Burgers]

deliberately guess something lower than what they had. i.e if i think they had trips, and mucked because i had a straight, i will say i think u had top pair, or nothing at all!

most players, except for the most cagey, will then tell everyone what they had, because they didn't wanna be seen as a bad player by going that far into a pot with so little.

haha - that's an awesome tactic

[Garth Kay]

Burgers,
If someone calls you and you show first and they go to muck or do muck you are well within your rights to request to see them, it is often viewed as bad form but you can do this.
Trust me I have seen it happen several times.
And with the one card? Most casino's do adopt that both cards must be shown but this rule has only been internationally accepted in the last 6 months, before that is was show what you want.
It is still not strictly enforced and I do not expect it to be for quite awhile, how many times have you seen someone fold to a bet and then the person who created the action show one card, this has happened plenty of times on TV (although I hate the fact that people believe what they see on TV tables as the way to act and the correct way of doing things) but also in live tournaments.
To claim a pot both cards must be shown at a showdown, beyond that it is entirely up to the individual, but I was happy to see one dealer and floor enforce this rule at the Millions this year whilst many are still not.

[Burgers]

Burgers,
If someone calls you and you show first and they go to muck or do muck you are well within your rights to request to see them,

I am of the opinion that a caller does not have to show their cards?

If this was the case, no player left after the river bets can ever muck their hand?

I thought that if you bet and someone calls, you haven't paid to see their hand - they've paid to see yours!

[Garth Kay]

Yes but you can still request to see a callers hand, I have to stress that it is a callers hand. As I said it is very bad form and frowned upon and will start fights and make you a target.
But it is something you are allowed to do.

[Garth Kay]

Roberts Rules of Poker. Section 3 - The Showdown

5. Any player who has been dealt in may request to see any hand that has been called, even if the opponent's hand or the winning hand has been mucked. However, this is a privilege that may be revoked if abused. If a player other than the pot winner asks to see a hand that has been folded, that hand is dead. If the winning player asks to see a losing player’s hand, both hands are live, and the best hand wins.

Just for reference but this is not the exact rule I am looking for.

In most casinos, you may request to see any hand that was eligible to win the pot at showdown. Only players who were dealt in (received cards) may make the request (no railbirds). If the request comes from the player who is showing the winning hand, the hand that is exposed is considered to be "live" (even if it has been mucked) and could possibly still win the pot.

Although I must stress that the only time you want to use this rule is when you believe some form of cheating or collusion is been conducted.

[Burgers]

Roberts Rules of Poker. Section 3 - The Showdown

5. Any player who has been dealt in may request to see any hand that has been called, even if the opponent's hand or the winning hand has been mucked. However, this is a privilege that may be revoked if abused. If a player other than the pot winner asks to see a hand that has been folded, that hand is dead. If the winning player asks to see a losing player’s hand, both hands are live, and the best hand wins.

I think that we are talk different things mate.

This rule says that any player dealt in can ask to see the aggressors hand if the aggressor is called.

I'm stating that a caller can choose to muck their cards if they do not wish to contest the hand.

My understanding is that losing hands that are correctfully mucked (ie not the aggressors) never technically need to be shown.

I guess you can always "ask" to see anybody's hand, once the hand is over. But as you said - it's poor ettiquite.

[Garth Kay]

Of course they can muck if they wish, but if the winner of the pot requests to see the mucked hand then that hand becomes live and could quite possibly take the pot away from the "hero".

These are all outdated rules to "catch out" cheaters, I have never seen them used correctly and I doubt whether 90% of players out there know why this rule is out there, the same could be said for the majority of casino staff (in the southern hemisphere).