Dream Team Race - Kleemann Under Attack

[trishan]

Don't forget that a true DT scoreboard should have equal, or near enough to, representation of both home and away events. So all the current discussion is moot.

Yes, I know that this is the case. When the changes to DT scoreboards come through to give more weight to away games, I'll probably give up the 888PL. Away games, IMO, are all luck based. You need two passports to have any chance and for most people, spending $20 to have your AQ on a Q high board get cracked by 3 9 with a 3 on the flop and then a 9 on the river isn't fun.

So if the Dream Team is meant to be the best players in the league - you're really going to end up with the luckiest players in the league and the name should be changed to Lucky Team.

[Bacon]

The flaw in Garth's argument is that he assumes that all players who reg for the GF Qualifiers actually play which is far from the truth. The GF Qualifiers are open for registration as soon as it is listed in the lobby, usually a week before the event.

As it has no cap, I would say at least 25-40% pre-register and do not play which boosts the number of players and consequently the points available. In effect it's like having a 200 runner game with double points. So a player who wins a GF Qualifier can do just as well as someone who wins a 200-runner game and get a massive boost in points.

Whatever the case good luck to those who do make it to the Dream Team.

This is a very good point.

[Scotty]

Away games, IMO, are all luck based.

And the foundation freerolls are all skill?

[Brett Kay]

As far as i am concerned, obviously playing the grand final/rebuy variant. The aim is to play good poker and then try and get to the final table to win the seat.

If 20-40% of the field is sitting out, gives more chances to get chips and less players to play against. If they are sitting out, then that is there loss. Still have to play good poker, because the people that are there are playing because they want to be there, not to have an extra ten points stacked on. Hence if they are playing good poker or running like aaron for one tournament, why should they be penalised by not having points counted.

Think of it from the point of view of the once a week player, they have something they can be proud of, then they might continue to try their hand at more events, Building confidence and sticking around. Then also realising that they might have a chance at being rewarded for something.

How long did it take you for your first points or first win? It was meaningful back then, nowadays all it means to some people is points.

For the volume players, don't cheapen other players accomplishments just for the sake of qualification or for a cash prize.

My last thought on this matter.
Brett.

[AceLosesKing]

My account is back online. Time to play every event under the sun.

[trishan]

Away games, IMO, are all luck based.

And the foundation freerolls are all skill?

It is more skill based than foundation away games for a number of reasons. First there are no passports so people know that if they get knocked out there's no going to the TD to rebuy.

Second, the blind structure is much better than away freerolls. You get more hands in at each level. In away games I find you can commit a significant part of your stack on a good hand, miss the flop and get blinded out mainly due to the fact that you are getting through much fewer hands over the course of each level.

If it were all luck, probability states that everyone would win approximately the same amount of time yet you will find the same few players dominating.

[trishan]

As far as i am concerned, obviously playing the grand final/rebuy variant. The aim is to play good poker and then try and get to the final table to win the seat.

If 20-40% of the field is sitting out, gives more chances to get chips and less players to play against. If they are sitting out, then that is there loss. Still have to play good poker, because the people that are there are playing because they want to be there, not to have an extra ten points stacked on. Hence if they are playing good poker or running like aaron for one tournament, why should they be penalised by not having points counted.

Think of it from the point of view of the once a week player, they have something they can be proud of, then they might continue to try their hand at more events, Building confidence and sticking around. Then also realising that they might have a chance at being rewarded for something.

How long did it take you for your first points or first win? It was meaningful back then, nowadays all it means to some people is points.

For the volume players, don't cheapen other players accomplishments just for the sake of qualification or for a cash prize.

My last thought on this matter.
Brett.

Brett I am not saying that people should not get points for playing good poker in one of these events. I am just saying that they play equally good poker as someone who plays a 11pm game against approximately the same number of people but get a huge points bonus. This is where the problem lies.

[rcon]

So if the Dream Team is meant to be the best players in the league - you're really going to end up with the luckiest players in the league and the name should be changed to Lucky Team.

There is some really flawed logic here trishan. You're assuming the best players in the league are all able to play many games every week. As Garth has pointed out, it is far more likely the best players in the league are not spending every night chasing home game points, but rather they are playing at the Casino, or for the big bucks on other sites.

In effect you're saying you want a leader board to suit your playing schedule and retrospectively fit your results. 888PL isn't about being "fair", it is a business and will encourage people to chase big point scores at every opportunity it can, with as few overheads and as simple a structure as possible.

Everyone plays under the same rules, and if you wish to do well at the dream team, you have to play by those rules. Period.

Anyway, good luck oh, and GO THE MIGHTY BOMBERS!

[trishan]

I am not suggesting you have to play many games a week at all. benny the cunt is a case in point. He is clearly as skilled as or more skilled than the players currently in the top 5 in the Dream Team. He has played far fewer games but would be in the top 5 were it not for GF Qualifiers.

I don't really understand how encouraging people to play in big points games helps the businesses bottom line.

[bennymacca]

i am not going to add any more on this, as people know my position, but i have to say that i think it would be MORE than 25% dead stacks in the gf qualifier every week.

and i agree with trishan.