State versus State ?

[queen9]

Hi Guys, just checked the forum topics and found this, so I wanted to give you an opinion - as usual ... lol

When the $150k final was held at Caulfield and 16 S.A. players were brought over to play in it, the general concensus was that it was advertised for 12 months as a Victorian state final and the prize money came from a victorian prize pool so why should we have s.a. being able to play for that money.

secondly, they came all geared up, with special polo shirts etc, which we all had to buy. there was no forwarning that this was going to happen, they just arrived - and took home some 'victorian' money.

this is not just my opinion, there were a lot of comments on the day and even more in the weeks after. and while I agree in part with the majority of what they are saying, a state vs state thing is different, it is a joint venture and I would fully support it - as would (I hope and would like to think) most other players.

In fact, not only would I support it, but I would promote it and look forward to it ... .... bring it on .... lol .... it will be great fun.

[Garth Kay]

When the $150k final was held at Caulfield and 16 S.A. players were brought over to play in it, the general concensus was that it was advertised for 12 months as a Victorian state final and the prize money came from a victorian prize pool so why should we have s.a. being able to play for that money.

secondly, they came all geared up, with special polo shirts etc, which we all had to buy. there was no forwarning that this was going to happen, they just arrived - and took home some 'victorian' money.

this is not just my opinion, there were a lot of comments on the day and even more in the weeks after. and while I agree in part with the majority of what they are saying, a state vs state thing is different, it is a joint venture and I would fully support it - as would (I hope and would like to think) most other players.

In the first two seasons of operations in SA we were not permitted to give out cash prizes.

Hence we gave the final eight of our first two finals; airfares and accommodation to play in the Vic Champs, that was their prize. Victorians had been freerolling into it for the previous 8 months. Cash was on offer at their finals and you only needed to make the top 50 at the Victorian State Finals to qualify for the 150K Vic Championships.

If you ask me, and this is my personal opinion, SA players were much harder done by, in those first two seasons, than any other state and, especially Victoria, when it came to prizes and promotions.

I am not sure of the context of the marketing and advertising but I don't think naming something Victorian entitles it to only be used by Victorians.

I am going to stop now, because my personal opinions on this matter are not for public discussion.

[Des]

So when Crown holds their Melbourne Poker Champs... only Melbourne people can play? Or can Geelong people play too?

Same with the Crown Victorian Poker Champs... can South Aussies play?

Aussie Millions, can New Zealanders play?

[queen9]

I think you have taken me out of context here. This topic has been thrown around in victoria for ages and the general opinion was that if you don't contribute towards to the prize, you shouldn't be able to take a share of it. ... that is all ...

Des, as far as s.a., geelong, n.z , americans, whoever, playing in the aussie millions, if you pay to enter, you are contributing to the prize pool and should therefore be able to win some of it ... or most of it ... lol ... and it is that simple and not the fault of anyone here.

as far as the marketing and advertising went, it was advertised in a manner suggesting that it was a victorian only final for victorian players, we knew nothing about what other states did or do, and are only now learning about them as we get more vics into the forum. and it is very interesting .... and sometimes, even fun ... lol

the other thing too is, that if this was going both ways, the problem would not be there. It was all in the presentation, the marketing, the lack of forewarning - even a couple of the td's were surprised over this and could not understand it.

And I will give my opinion, for what it is worth .. I would love to have s.a., tas. nsw, whoever, come and play in some final or state vs state thing, it would be great, but if they are going to come and play in a victorian final, then we would like to go play in theirs too.

Don't take this personally Garth, it is just a general observation from what was being said, and an explanation from a 'vic' to our s.a. friends as to why comments like 'upset the apple cart' actually came about. and it is over and history. as you said, it was all 'pre garth' and you were not responsbible for all that was happening in Victoria. now you have guaranteed to see things through, and the vics are seeing your constant presence in here, listening to the members, we all look forward to a bigger and better future.

[bennymacca]

if you are good enough to cash, then you are good enough to cash with SA players there...

or are you?

seriously though, what does it matter? that was an exceptional circumstance in the first couple of seasons of NPL here in SA, and it doesn't happen anymore, so why are you arguing about it

[Garth Kay]

I didn't take anything you said personally Rosemary .

I am just clarifying why there were South Australians at the Vic Champs, why they also received flights and accommodation as well as polos.It all came out of their state finals budget.

I am unsure as to how the Vic Championships was marketed directly to players but I just had a re read of the news stories related to this event and there is no mention of only open to Victorian players.

general opinion was that if you don't contribute towards to the prize, you shouldn't be able to take a share of it.

NPL contributed the prize, one buy in event was held at Crown to Satellite two players in, who else contributed to the prize?

As far as I am concerned if you have an NPL membership card you are welcome at all of our events, if the $1,000 warm up event (which the prize money is donated by me personally) is open to all NPL members then I don't care if players attend from Queensland, the more the merrier.

but if they are going to come and play in a victorian final, then we would like to go play in theirs too.

First of all no South Australian is coming over to play in the Vic State Finals unless they qualified, but the warm up event is open to all players and I don't care if Vic, SA or Korean players play this event, and vice versa applies.

I would love to see some SA or Vic players put their hands up to come over and visit each other for one off events or even during finals.

[BigPete33]

if you are good enough to cash, then you are good enough to cash with SA players there...

or are you?

seriously though, what does it matter? that was an exceptional circumstance in the first couple of seasons of NPL here in SA, and it doesn't happen anymore, so why are you arguing about it

Bit harsh there benny the cunt.

It's a valid example that's relative to the brief mention of us heading over to their Championship weekend on the Saturday and qualifying for their main event by final tabling the thing that's open to everyone.

Now say sorry.

[Chelsea4thewin]

could new players register at the satellite? it says open to anyone so any tom dick or harry can come off the street and have a go

[BigPete33]

My first thought was 'eek no way' but upon reflection... how is it different to now?

1st time players make final table all the time! There's no difference between them getting lucky once and someone who has played more often getting lucky once, is there?

[bennymacca]

sorry, it didn't mean to sound harsh

i just thought that rosemary was harping on a bit.

if vic players were invited to our states or other tourneys, i would see it as an extra challenge rather than as a threat

sorry if i sounded harsh